tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post2408809237595381787..comments2023-03-21T05:13:22.577-05:00Comments on Claytonopolis: Political Impressions 2.0 - Catholics Cannot Vote For Obama in Good ConsciousAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02367907451392729802noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-84896017244340292522008-11-04T13:26:00.000-06:002008-11-04T13:26:00.000-06:00The truth of the matter, Tom, is that it is not Re...The truth of the matter, Tom, is that it is not Renee who is casting judgment on fellow Christians but you. Renee merely reiterated the argument made by the Bishops on the issue of abortion. The Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church in America have constantly reminded their flock that it to vote for someone who is so blatantly pro-abortion (like Obama) is to condone the act itself. They have gone so far as to withhold Communion from known pro-abortion individuals. The Bishops state that people who vote as such will have to answer to the blood that is on their hands, since abortion is an intrinsic moral evil.<BR/><BR/>With that said, Renee is right to shame you just as you tried to shame her on the issue of "judging other Christians." I think what she means to say is that your cynicism and apparent apathy regarding pro-life issues is disconcerting given your faith as an Orthodox Christian. I would have to agree.<BR/><BR/>I realize that you were not trying to defend or support Obama, but it is obvious to me that you were not well intentioned in your first post. If what you say is true, that you were simply trying to chastise Renee on being too harsh in regard to other Christian souls (which mind you is not at all clear), do us all a favor and do it privately and not publicly. I won't question your soul, but I will question your civility.Andrew Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14571719356987185195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-29992278495527923772008-11-04T10:19:00.000-06:002008-11-04T10:19:00.000-06:00I'm afraid there has been a bit of a misunderstand...I'm afraid there has been a bit of a misunderstanding. My intent was not to support any particular candidate, or to justify Obama's position on abortion as OK.<BR/><BR/>I was simply concerned that you might be a bit too harsh in passing judgment on the status of the souls of your fellow Christians.<BR/><BR/>To refer to me a "so-called Orthodox Christian" simply for posting a quotation from a Catholic resource seems rather cruel.<BR/><BR/>That said, I apologize for any perturbations I may have caused.pope52https://www.blogger.com/profile/04820000685045750463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-65017672234016323172008-11-04T09:34:00.000-06:002008-11-04T09:34:00.000-06:00Tom, I really think you should be ashamed as a so-...Tom, I really think you should be ashamed as a so-called orthodox Christian. It seems as though you are defending the candidate's position on abortion. And from this recent quote you posted, you think you can defend and justify his position by the fact that he attempts to achieve some other greater moral good. Tell me, what is the greater moral good in killing a baby who has survived an attempted abortion? Obama’s reason for voting against care for those humans was that he felt it necessary to defend the right for women to have abortions. Further, Obama has not presented any greater proposal involving human life that makes killing innocent life worthwhile. <BR/><BR/>Finally, my beliefs in life are not the ONLY reason for voting against Obama. I wrote two prior posts stating reasons that I deem Obama unsuitable. I have quite a few more reasons that I have not had time to blog because I am a wife, mother and fulltime worker. However, I found the time in the middle of the night, losing hours of sleep, to write this pro-life blog, because I deem it necessary to go out of my way to defend innocent life. <BR/><BR/>Here is some pro-life reading from notables for you:<BR/>http://prolifedallas.org/pages/Joint_Statement<BR/>http://www.newsweek.com/id/163896/page/1<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I really have no more time for this debate.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367907451392729802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-29653548912616126652008-11-04T09:01:00.000-06:002008-11-04T09:01:00.000-06:00"A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes ..."A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, <B>if the voter’s intent is to support that position.</B> In such cases a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity."<BR/><BR/>http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/FCStatement.pdfpope52https://www.blogger.com/profile/04820000685045750463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-27719499680869656572008-11-03T11:05:00.000-06:002008-11-03T11:05:00.000-06:00The Bishop of Dallas did make this point in a rece...The Bishop of Dallas did make this point in a recent letter to the Diocese of Dallas. <BR/><BR/>**note: I do not allow anonymous comments on my blog. You must have a public profile connected to yoour comment. Or, I know you otherwise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367907451392729802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-58193782080758920242008-11-01T18:54:00.000-05:002008-11-01T18:54:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.ZeroPointhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02708339661587977541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82467923053087614.post-79151935398919426592008-11-01T15:03:00.000-05:002008-11-01T15:03:00.000-05:00"Catholics you cannot support a candidate who enfo..."Catholics you cannot support a candidate who enforces the right to abortion and still call yourself Catholic."<BR/><BR/>That might be moreso for a bishop to assert, I would imagine.pope52https://www.blogger.com/profile/04820000685045750463noreply@blogger.com